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that from the democrats. bill: interesting. dick durbin suggested perhaps they need to talk about this we'll see further on that from their side very soon. stuart, thank you. >> bill. bill: see you at 9:20 on fbn. stuart varney with us. here's martha. martha: big word reform, in taxes and entitlements. will that happen? senator graham is not the only republican that says he believes something needs to be done to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> i think everybody should be on the table. i am myself am opposed to tax increases. the fact is the speaker and majority leader and president will be in a room trying to find the best package. i'm not going to prejudge it. saying we should not take ironclad positions. i have faith in john boehner putting together a good package. he is very conciliatory in his language. >> i do am opposed to raising tax rates but i do believe we can close loopholes. >> they have to go up real tax rates or effective tax rates. there are ways to do that. secondly we have to close significant loopholes. martha: all right. what are we hearing here? are he starting to hear a li
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